Do you know how you are going to vote?

[pablo]

Just over a week left. So are you fully decided on who will be getting your preferences in the European and General Elections and how you are voting in the referendum?

I'm leaning more towards voting to change the citizenship thing back (I'm not sure is this a Yes or a No vote).

As for the EU and the local elections, well still undecided . I'm sure it would help if they'd canvass me but despite me wanting to talk to them, none of them have called to my house.

[Faith]

I know how I would vote, if I could! That's for the referendum. For the general election, I would pick the people with the nicest campaign posters. But hey, I'd be voting at least!

[Tree]

a few ppl have called to my house canvassing but i'm never there :mad:

i dont really know who i'll put second for the european or the locals, have my number ones.

BTW pabs, no change is always a no, change = yes, in ALL referenda

[sirona]

i haven't a clue who i'm going to vote for, haven't really thought about it yet. as for the referendum, at the moment i think it's going to be a yes from me...

[Slayer]

i'm voting no in the referendum. it's a racist and morally corrupt referendum. the irish people have a short memory,they forget the thousands of people who travelled to britain, america and elsewhere for a chance to live a better life. At the very least we should allow people to enjoy the benefits of a country that is safer than their own.

As for the elections, I think Kathy Sinnott has my vote.

[Lord Raath]

Was planning on voting, but I moved hose and left it too late to register my new address. Didn't even know I had to, until a forwarded (and very bloody late!:curse: ) letter arrived in my door...:nope:

[ciaran]

You can still vote in whatever polling station you used to be registered in surely?

[JennyPen]

i'm voting no in the referendum. it's a racist and morally corrupt referendum. the irish people have a short memory,they forget the thousands of people who travelled to britain, america and elsewhere for a chance to live a better life. At the very least we should allow people to enjoy the benefits of a country that is safer than their own.

I might point out that we are the only country in the EU who still have the law the way it is. I reckon the US have it right - the baby becomes a citizen, the parents don't.

It's b eing ridiculously exploited - take the Chin case for example, and you'll know what I mean.

Being indiscriminate about who we let in the country is stupid - people always, ALWAYS rehash the rubbish about the Irish moving abroad, so fucking what! My aunt is an Australian citizen, she left Ireland for a better life fourteen years ago, just like countless others. She had to go through rigorous tests to become an Australian citizen, now her two daughters are Australian citizens only because herself and her husband (also Irish) applied for and got citizenship. So why shouldn't the same apply here?

I would also seriously like to contest the concept of Ireland being safer than other countries.

[Tree]

i'm voting no in the referendum. it's a racist and morally corrupt referendum. the irish people have a short memory,they forget the thousands of people who travelled to britain, america and elsewhere for a chance to live a better life. At the very least we should allow people to enjoy the benefits of a country that is safer than their own.

As for the elections, I think Kathy Sinnott has my vote.

My darling, i think you need to sit down and open your eyes and read stuff maybe.

The referendum that is being put to us it not morally corrupt or racist as such, essentially what it is is that either babies have a constituational right to citizenship if born in ireland to non irish parents or that we change the constitution to allow the oireachtas (thats the Dáil and Seannad) to put forward legistlation that would regulate it. TBH i dont know what way to vote on this issue, but i dont belive it is particuallry racist.

As for Kathy Snot, she has absolutely no track record with any form of local or national government, she won't be able to deliver on any issue that does not affect her and her pocket i believe. Apart from teh media coverage she received from her son's court case, we know next ot nothing about her or her policies. I will be completely disgusted if she gets elected. Most of the ppl who are voting for her are doing so as a political stand against the government, TBH there are better ppl to use to protest with.

[Darkstar]

I'm not sure how or even if i'm gonna vote, i'd rather make no decision that an uninformed one. The only thing is i don't want to punish the children for the sins of the parents, imagine a young girl born to two african immigrants, 5 years down the road the parents get deported and this 5 year old "Irish" girl is carted off to a country of which she knows nothing about, leaving behind her friends and everything she knows. I just dont know it somehow doesnt seem right, but then again the parents are exploiting the children to gain citizenship........

[Tree]

if in doubt usually vote no, it means leave it as it is and there'll be no change. Spoil your vote if you want but don't not vote!

i found the refcom's handbook they posted out wasnt' too bad, you can always check out www.refcom.ie

[Lord Raath]

You can still vote in whatever polling station you used to be registered in surely?

Nope. You can only vote in your local area. I thought the same, but the people who moved into our old house registered themselves to vote, therefore removing my whole family from the register. My mother is like an anti-christ, she has always voted, this is her fist time in years not being able to.

[pablo]

I will vote yes. My primary reason for this is to close, what I see as a loophole in our system. Whereby, people can come into Ireland, have a child and obtain a right to live and work in this country without due process.
I WILL POINT OUT: I am not against people from other nations working and living in Ireland. In fact, I am all for it. However, I don't think it should happen as a consequence. Equally, Ireland is the only nation in the EU that has a law like this. Thus, our loophole allows people to enter any EU state if they have obtained citizenship in this fashion. So, it would be detremental to Ireland within the EU to continue to allow this to happen. Other states have already raised this issue and have fervently complained.

To abate the soothsayers. Anyone can apply for assilum in Ireland. Anyone can apply for a work visa. Anyone can apply to become a citizen of our country once they have lived here long enough. Just like most nations around the world. These mechanisms will not be affected by a yes vote. However, a no vote will keep this loophole open.

My 2c on the EU thingie.

Slayer an interesting discussion here about Kathy Sinnott : http://su.ucc.ie/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=281

[the evil belly]

i agree with pablo. a yes vote will alos allow the government to legislate for citzenship. people who have lived in the country for a certain length of time may be grated citzenship for their children and so on. the loophole does need to be closed, there are plenty of heavily pregnat women arriving in ireland just to give birth and obtain citizenship. a yes vote will not affect the right to citizenship of any child who has at least 1 parnet who is an irish citizen

[Slayer]

Slayer an interesting discussion here about Kathy Sinnott : http://su.ucc.ie/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=281

wow, that's news to me. thanks.

tree: i hate to rise to the bait but i'm not your darling. don't patronise me please.

[Faith]

I'd be voting yes if I could for the same reasons that have already been posted here.

[Tree]

Anyone can apply for a work visa.

The dept of enterprise trade and employment are not granting work visas until further notice, they stopped issueing permits last year and will only renew old ones.

[ciaran]

That su.ucc.ie thread really has nothing to do with Kathy Sinnott it's just Yet Another Abortion "Debate"... Mind you can anyone name one of her policies? For someone who wants to represent close on a million people in the European Parliament she seems to me to be awfully high on emotion and low on actual policies...

I think you basically have to show that you looked inside the EU for a suitably skilled candidate and none was available in order to get a new work permit, it's not that easy.

[neenee]

Ciarna, Kathy Sinnot's policy is basically to look out for my interests. I (apparently) am her main priority. It's on all her posters. It's a bit strange really cause I don't even know the woman, but hey!

[Paulo]

I wish I could vote for Clifford T. Reid who has the slogan "Stop the paedophiles" on his campaign posters. Unfortunately, he's up in Kildare or somewhere.
Who's Ciarna neenee? Is she Ciarans alter ego in the evenings or something? I really do wonder what goes on in your house at night!

[neenee]

How did you know. Ciarna! Have you been talking to boys...eeew. You'll get germs that way you know.
And please stop wondering about what goes on in our house. It's a bit creepy. (I'm sure Clifford would strongly disapprove.)

[pablo]

Well I voted today. They now have pictures of the people opposite their names for both the EU elections and the local elections. How many seats are there in Munster for the EU now, seeing as the number Ireland has has being reduced to make room for the 10 new countries ?

[ciaran]

Sinnott wins Euro seat (http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/2004/06/14/story152257.html)
ndependent candidate and disability rights campaigner Kathy Sinnott has won the third and final seat in the European Parliament elections in the South constituency.

Ms Sinnott was elected after the sixth count with 120,600 votes, compared to 87,000 for Fianna Fáil’s Gerry Collins.

[pablo]

Now I must say that is a pity. What political experience does she have ? I wonder about some people. She is just another one of them pro-lifers, she has very strict views on stuff like abortion and the likes , but she didn't let her self be drawn on them.

[Slayer]

don't be blaming me, i didn't vote for her.

i was too sick to vote on the day. *grumble grumble* first time i could vote and i'm too sick. grr

[Tree]

#munster got rearranged into the South constituency, basiclally munster less Clare, we have 3 seats where munster had 4.

Snot had(has) no well defined policies, some of them were a joke - make Europe peaceful, hrmmmmm i wonder what that union thingy was about. i was disgusted that she got the seat.

[the evil belly]

ya i well pissed she got in. all i can say is i didn't vote for her. made me a 400 mile round trip just to cast my vote

[stairway 2 hell]

i didnt want fianna fail to get it but i didnt want her to get it either. what about that farce of a referendum as well? confusing as fuck!!

[JennyPen]

I still can't believe she got in, Tree was right, she is the person that the 'anarchists' vote for. My guess is, half of Paul st is finally old enough to vote. We knew twas going to happen someday.

[the evil belly]

paul rats voting? the end is nigh i tell ye

[buddabob]

nah,they wont be voting for at least another 5 years!

[Ciarna]

I'm new here- the naME IS- Ciarna- it's how I found yez!!!!