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Just wondering how many smokers do we have here.
Most of my friends, if not all of them don't smoke. Funny how you tend to hang around with your own sort.
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the outlaw torn
04-09-2003, 16:46
i can't stand smoking, its the biggest waste of time and money in the world, there is no good points about it. can't wait till january 1st when the smoker will be forced out in the cold.
the evil belly
04-09-2003, 18:30
i'm kinda partial to the odd cigar when i'm out. still agree with banning smoking in pubs though. it won't bother me not being able to have the odd stogie
happy joy joy
04-09-2003, 20:44
dont smoke, i kinda have 2 groups of friends i hang around with 1 group dont smoke sept 4 1 r 2 and there all ways getting hasle off the rest of them. 2nd group it other way around only 1 r 2 dont smoke. but smoking does not bother me:wakko:
I smoke, so what? It's a personal decision, and i cant' stand people who give you hassle over it. I know it kills, I know it's expensive, but frankly, I don't give a shit. Everyone dies eventually, so why should you die hanging for a fag? Enjoy life, and if you find smoking enjoyable, I don't see why you should be forced to stop.
Noone cares if other people smoke, once they don't make us [non-smokers] inhale it as well! Like when there's a group of people having lunch and one or two light up, it's very annoying [and rude, I'd say] It is, of course, your right to kill yourself if you want to!
happy joy joy
04-09-2003, 22:25
Yes, 10 or more a day
Yes, but less than 10 a day
Yes, but only the herbal stuff
Kinda, only when I go out.
No, can't stand the stuff
wheres the "no dont smoke 1?" :) in the poll
No, can't stand the stuff
the outlaw torn
04-09-2003, 23:33
they are banning smoking from the movies now, so you should see very few smoking actors from next year which is another sign smoking is on the slow path to being wiped out.
i have no problem with people who smoke once their smoke doesn't bother me, and i'll make it very clear if your smoke bothers me, like the time i had to sit in the smoking car of a train cause they were the only seats left i annoyed the smokers so much no one dared smoke around me.
Originally posted by ciaran
i don't think it was right for you to sit in a smoking carriage and harrass people about smoking. smokers have the right to smoke just as much as you have the right to choose not to, especially considering you were sitting the area designated for those smokers.
the outlaw torn
05-09-2003, 16:31
so my only choices on the train were to stand for 3 to 4 hours on the journey to dublin or be forced to sit in a haze of smoke, i choose to make them feel uncomfortible cause i wanted to sit down for the journey. smokers don't really have any rights, its not like they have to smoke, its a choice. and i made a choice to make my feelings about their smoking very verbal.
Originally posted by the outlaw torn
so my only choices on the train were to stand for 3 to 4 hours on the journey to dublin or be forced to sit in a haze of smoke, i choose to make them feel uncomfortible cause i wanted to sit down for the journey. smokers don't really have any rights, its not like they have to smoke, its a choice. and i made a choice to make my feelings about their smoking very verbal.
touche! but i wouldn't have put my cigarette out for you, more fool them i guess. also we don't live in a fascist regime, smokers have just as many rights as non-smokers.
Cemetry Slut
05-09-2003, 23:12
i just hate the fact that my eys go red over the smoke and my eye makeup goes everywhere.. Mascara hurts when blobbed into your tear ful eyes.. "not being SUCH A GIRL here" but its really annoying and the smell of smoke off my new jacket and otehr cloths and my hair dont get me started about my hair ... :p
Originally posted by the outlaw torn
smokers don't really have any rights
That's fucking ridiculous. That's like saying Black people don't have any rights. What gives you the right to discriminate like that? Sitting in the smoking carriage of a train and intimidating smokers so much that they don't smoke is like going back 70 years to the southern states of America, sitting on a black persons bus, and telling them all they're worthless and shouldn't be allowed exist just because they're black.
No, I know it's different because smoking damages health, but you're still completely in the wrong to say something like that. If you have that much of a problem with it, you should have stood until a seat in the non- smoking area became available. If I have hay-fever, I don't tell flower- sellers that they have to put their flowers away while I'm nearby.
happy joy joy
07-09-2003, 18:46
" That's fucking ridiculous. That's like saying Black people don't have any rights. What gives you the right to discriminate like that? Sitting in the smoking carriage of a train and intimidating smokers so much that they don't smoke is like going back 70 years to the southern states of America, sitting on a black persons bus, and telling them all they're worthless and shouldn't be allowed exist just because they're black"
was going 2 say that myself but was 2 lazy! but your right! they have rights just like you had the right to get up and move! :wakko:
the outlaw torn
07-09-2003, 18:52
your totally confused, comparing smokers to black people or any people of a minority, what so you were born a smoker and have no chocie but to smoke. i like listening to rock music and it makes me feel good, does that give me the right to have a good ole mosh on the next train journey i take, people wouldn't be long telling me to stop. or even if i put loud music on headphones on a train or bus people would tell you to turn it down. smoking is the same, they give you an area to smoke but its not just for people who smoke, the ticket cost the same whether you smoke or not.
I had a choice, and I chose to smoke. It was my decision, and I don't need you telling me that I'm wrong. It's the same as you had a choice to stand for a while, or to sit with smokers.
People would tell you to turn down the music, yes, but they would not sit there in a loud- music section of the bus telling you that the music was stupid, and that you're stupid to listen to it, to the point that you felt that you had to turn it off to please this obnoxious person, when you clearly had the right to be listening to the music.
The smokers clearly had the right to smoke, and you didn't have the right to tell them to stop because you couldn't be bothered standing for a while.
It would be completely different if they sparked up in a non- smoking carriage, but they didn't.
happy joy joy
07-09-2003, 19:01
i think you have lost the point here. all these places you have said where not made just 4 you! but these places on the train where! put there 4 smokers! :wakko:
the outlaw torn
08-09-2003, 02:49
all this argument doesn't really matter cause on january 1st if the new law is passed there will be no more annoyong smokers bothering me anywhere cause the only place you'll be allowed to smoke will be on the street or in your own home.
The problem arises when the smokers’ habit impinges on non-smokers. Fine kill yourself, but I quite like my healthy broccoli and stuff.
There are two topics here , and it is important to differentiate the two of them. Should there be smoking in public places Is smoking right ?
I am not going to answer the 2nd one, because the law allows you to smoke, in fact the government make a pretty penny from the stupidly of the smokers from VAT. So let them fund or schools and stuff. One problem I have with this (my) argument is that they put an extra strain on the hospitals, not just from cancer but other smoking related illnesses. But we can discuss that later.
So as for smoking in public places, like on busses trains’ planes cinema restaurants pubs and other imaginable places, it should not be allowed. It is pollution. And it can lead to detrimental effects, esp. to kids who are still growing.
Lord Raath
08-09-2003, 23:49
Most of my friends smoke, I dont. If they smoke when Im with them it does not bother me but I am looking forward to the ban. I have to agree with the smokers on the whole train issue, if Im sitting in the smoking carriage I will live with the smoke, hell Im lazy, at least Im sitting down, I dont care. I do have a chioce in the matter after all, and you have to feel sorry for the smokers that end up standing in a no smoking carriage!:ganga:
JennyPen
14-10-2003, 18:30
I smoke, so what? It's a personal decision, and i cant' stand people who give you hassle over it. I know it kills, I know it's expensive, but frankly, I don't give a shit. Everyone dies eventually, so why should you die hanging for a fag? Enjoy life, and if you find smoking enjoyable, I don't see why you should be forced to stop.
I don't smoke and I'm not going to die hanging for a fag. That makes no sense. You'll only die hanging for a fag if you already smoke and are trying not to.
JennyPen
14-10-2003, 18:37
Noone cares if other people smoke, once they don't make us [non-smokers] inhale it as well! Like when there's a group of people having lunch and one or two light up, it's very annoying [and rude, I'd say] It is, of course, your right to kill yourself if you want to!
Sooooo agreeing with the rudeness part of this. I'm totally allergic, the smell of it makes me gag. I had to smoke onstage once and nearly died, I had to run out of the building (it was only the cat club so out down the stairs I went) and throw up.
I can't wait 'til January first. Smoke all you want on your own time, it's your choice but I'll be able to breathe again, and I think you'll find me being able to go to the pub a lot more often...
On the subject of smokers having any rights to healthcare and stuff 'cos they smoke, if I decided I wanted to swallow nuclear waste, do I have the right to healthcare over a leukaemia patient? I think not. I made a CHOICE to put myself in danger, ignored the blindingly obvious warnings just so I can 'be a rebel' or 'be grown up' or 'look sophisticated' (with sexy yellow skin bad breath and yellow fingers, wow!). It's the same with smoking - it's purposely putting yourself in a risky position. Smoking the odd one, grand. Smoking the odd (and I mean very odd) cigar, grand.
every day - it's your choice. that's the way I see it!
To be honest, I hate the smell myself when I'm not partaking. It's horrible. I always wave the smoke away, and I'm not putting up too much of a fight about the ban. I fully intend to give up then. If I can't smoke with my cup or coffee or whatever, there's just no point. It's not like I smoke at home. But I think it's more the fact that smokers are being forced into the ban thats pissing them off.
In a exclusive place in New York (It was in Sex and the City- the one with Geri Halliwell, I cant' remember what it's called) they have a "Smoking room" for their members. It's entirely self service, so theres no staff being put at risk, and anyone inthere is so at their own decision. Interesting idea.
happy joy joy
14-10-2003, 23:28
there jouring the all irelandi herd it said n the telly.....i thought that was a non smoking section of c.park? ...............it fucking open air! that is non smokers taking the piss! :wakko:
On the subject of smokers having any rights to healthcare and stuff 'cos they smoke, if I decided I wanted to swallow nuclear waste, do I have the right to healthcare over a leukaemia patient? I think not. I made a CHOICE to put myself in danger, ignored the blindingly obvious warnings just so I can 'be a rebel' or 'be grown up' or 'look sophisticated' (with sexy yellow skin bad breath and yellow fingers, wow!). It's the same with smoking - it's purposely putting yourself in a risky position. Smoking the odd one, grand. Smoking the odd (and I mean very odd) cigar, grand.
every day - it's your choice. that's the way I see it!
ummm, are you saying that if an adult in a democratic republic exercises his or her right to partake of a legal habit, and gets sick as a result, he or she shouldn't be entitled to the same standard of healthcare as other sick people?
steering dangerously close to the fascist wind there!
smokers contribute a huge amount of revenue to governement coffers, and the majority of adults (b0oth smokers and non) pay exorbitant taxes for the duration of their working lives. aside from this, however, by the principles on which our state runs, a smoker is obviously equally as entitled to care as a leukaemia patient.
i'm not trying to debate the right or wrongness of smoking itself, but this is a completely seperate issue.
It's not really, smokers are knowingly and willingly making themselves sick and then expecting the rest of the country to subsidise their healthcare with our taxes...
there jouring the all irelandi herd it said n the telly.....i thought that was a non smoking section of c.park? ...............it fucking open air! that is non smokers taking the piss! :wakko:
eh, or not. standing in a crowd of smokers anywhere, inside or out and you sitll get to breathe yucky second hand smoke. croke park is a public place, besides, smokers have this wonderful habit of littering the world with their fag ends, don't anyone try and tell me they are considerate and pick up their fag butts, coz ye dont.
and i agree with ciarán on that one, just coz it's legal doesnt mean it's right and that ppl should have to foot the bill, the government spend some of that smoking tax on (crapy) anti smoking campaigns
JennyPen
15-10-2003, 14:24
It's not really, smokers are knowingly and willingly making themselves sick and then expecting the rest of the country to subsidise their healthcare with our taxes...
That's what I was trying to say. I'm just not good at being succinct.
When the ban comes in, many people will stop smoking. Meaning the government will lose lots of money. So the price of cigarettes is going up. But not by enough to cover their loses so taxes are bound to go up, as will things like alcohol. That's what's not being said. But if people are happy to shell out a few EXTRA thousand a year just so they can have a smoke-free environment for a few hours a week, so be it.
JennyPen
15-10-2003, 15:26
I'd rather have my health than money, thank you very much. They don't tax cigarettes for moeny, they tax it to discourage people especially YOUNG PEOPLE from doing it.
And I have every right to a smoke free environment, I shouldn't have to pay for it just cos someone's arrogant enough to think they have a bigger right than me to dirty the air I HAVE TO BREATHE. You can live without smoking, I can't live with it. Smoke on your own time, not on mine. I'll throw up on you. I will!! I'm good with projectile vomiting.
JennyPen
15-10-2003, 15:34
When the ban comes in, many people will stop smoking. Meaning the government will lose lots of money.
If they couldn't live without that money, they wouldn't have introduced the ban, especially considering all the shit they've been getting from the publicans (and it's not as if the government and publicans were on good terms anyways) lately. They may not be great, but when it comes down to money, the government are shrewd bastards and thats that. They will lose money, but evidently it wasn't enough to stop them from intorducing the ban.
And anyway, you can still go home and smoke. I'm happy because it means I can go to the pub for more than an hour without having to be sick from the air. I don't mind the odd cigarette, but an entire room of them? I can't take it. Why should I have to stay out of pubs on health counts? I'm not intruding on anybody else. I'm just sitting having a pint. I (and by I I mean all others in my position too!) shouldn't have to suffer. Fuck your own health in the bin. LEEMEE LONE!!!
They don't tax cigarettes for moeny, they tax it to discourage people especially YOUNG PEOPLE from doing it.
That's bullshit, now. The government taxes everything so that they get more money. There's shedloads of tax on cars and things so that the government can make money. Maybe theres extra tax on cigarettes to discourage people, but it's mostly money making.
It's to make money to cover the cost of the extra burden it puts on the health services... or at least you could look at it that way, it goes to the same place as every other tax really and they decide what to do with it then
I'd rather have my health than money, thank you very much. They don't tax cigarettes for moeny, they tax it to discourage people especially YOUNG PEOPLE from doing it.
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you have a faith in our governement which i can't give credence to, i'm afraid, but it's refreshing at least!
if this is about a simple matter of rights, then as long as smoking is legal then every smoker should have the right to smoke.
i for one don't subscribe to the idea that certain members of our society should have more rights than others. it doesn't matter whether or not smoking is 'good' or 'bad', or whether people like it or not, and supporting the smoking ban simply for personal reasons is a bit simplistic and naive.
would you all throw people with smoking-related diseases out to die on the street? that to me is far worse than using tax-payers' money to help sick people, regardless of how they contracted their illnesses.
Not at all and trying to bring in these hard-case "would you let them all die so?" arguments doesn't help anything...
For example: Driving is legal, but you do not have the right to drive - first you have to pass a test, then you need to have insurance, tax etc. To drive a car you have to pay out insurance every year in case you injure someone else by your driving, but smokers are free to destroy other people's health at no cost to themselves... Also if you can't support the ban for "personal" reasons, what other reasons can you support it/oppose it for?
JennyPen
15-10-2003, 16:04
I wouldn't throw them out on the street - I'm not a heartless bitch. I just find it hard to put up with people who willingly ignore EVERYTHING that's thrown at them, be it by healthcare services, the government or the people who love them, and do something so monumentally ridiculous, then get sick and suddenly it's 'I have my rights! I'm doing it legally! Moan moan whinge'. Fuck off and die. (that was a bit strong, sorry) Do you enjoy smoking? I can understand smoking the fun stuff - at least there is an outcome to that. What does smoking do? Don't wax lyrical about how it kills your appetite - there's enough stick insects in the world thank you!!!
I was talking to a friend of mine the other day and he said something to me about hw I was a 'non-smoker'.(ie bloody goody-two-shoes) And that's bad why? At least I'm not paying to do my health in. He is. But I have the satisfaction of knowing I'll live on average 20 years longer than he will. Woohoo!!!
Just wondering. Why are there no goody-one shoes?
Because no-one only wears one shoe.
According to research done in America:
Nicotine appeared to improve the travel of sound from the ear to the brain, while at the same time reducing the auditory system’s response to repetitive, distracting sound. So, it seems that nicotine increases auditory awareness and improves the efficiency of auditory processing. The greatest effect of nicotine was seen in responses generated from regions of the auditory system near to, and including, the brain.
Nicotine also lowers anxiety levels, protects the cells of the nervous system from certain types of degenerative disease, and acts as both a painkiller and anti-psychotic. (Researched from: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/2257/niceffects.html )
So it's not actually all bad. And yes, I enjoy smoking, but I am willing and ready to give up in January.
Nearly everyone here is giving out about smokers, saying how offensive they are, how they hate the smell etc etc etc. But you don't seem to realise that forcing your opinions down smokers throats, going on and on about how bad it is when people clearly have the right to decide for themselves whether or not they want to smoke is as offensive to us as our smoke is to you. Maybe you could bear that in mind.
fine so, if creating smoke about other ppl isnt offensive, how about if someone sat next to you ALL night farting. they have a right to fart. and well, you dont think creating bad smells around ppl is bad....
also, as a person with poor breathing anyway i prefer not to be in a smokey environment, it makes me cough til i vomit, how pleasant. however (according to you) i should have to put up with a poor atmosphere when i go out to enjoy myself with my friends just because you feel it is your right to smoke while taking my right to breathe. ill welcome that ban thank you
happy joy joy
16-10-2003, 00:33
croke park is a public place, besides, smokers have this wonderful habit of littering the world with their fag ends, don't anyone try and tell me they are considerate and pick up their fag butts, coz ye dont.
do you litter so they drop buts? big shit most ppl will drop the wrapper off there sweets! the c.park ban is fucked!
some 1 was on about haveing to play 4 smokers killing them selves. what about ppl who drink? do you feel the same about them?
:wakko:
if i drink i do not affect you. if you smoke you affect me from hte other side of the room
and i refuse to litter, sweet wrappers generally get pocketed, or binned
happy joy joy
16-10-2003, 01:02
ya but do all non smokers do the same? if i smoke in c.park do i affect you from the other side of the park?
nope, but the other smokers about me and the non smokers about you are also in existance
happy joy joy
16-10-2003, 01:08
i dont smoke, but i think the ban is wrong still:wakko:
the outlaw torn
16-10-2003, 01:59
the ban isn't wrong, its totally right, i just hope it does get enforced and the publicans don't ignore like they say they will.
if they do ignore on january first the government should have a vote to see what the genreral public really think, not just the publicans who are making up all sorts of facts and figures to suit themslves, if the public voted for the law to be passed there is no way it would be ignored.
i just hate the fact that my eys go red over the smoke and my eye makeup goes everywhere.. Mascara hurts when blobbed into your tear ful eyes.. "not being SUCH A GIRL here" but its really annoying and the smell of smoke off my new jacket and otehr cloths and my hair dont get me started about my hair ... :p
i totally agree! i dont smoke anymore i gave up ages ago but when i did smoke id smoke alone so not to well 1get caught by the old parents and 2 coz i didnt wanna make others have to put up with it sure if they wanted to smoke sure id have sum company but i wasnt hooked enough really that i Had to have a fag now kindof way.
ill be so glad when the smoking ban comes in, coz lets say they have a smoking and a non smoking room, a good few of my friends who i go clubbing with would b in the smoking room and id b like a loner in the non smoking room.
id wish they would just give up. things would b alot easier and theyd have MONEY :) heehee :D
That's bullshit, now. The government taxes everything so that they get more money. There's shedloads of tax on cars and things so that the government can make money. Maybe theres extra tax on cigarettes to discourage people, but it's mostly money making.
ye are both rite. the government are trying to discourage ppl from smoking but as only our government can do they figure sure we can make a bit of money while we are at it.
there are also far to many cars onthe roads and the infrastructure cant take it (hense traffic jams etc) our government never thought there would b this many cars on the road hense they up the prices to try and control the about of cars on the road. insurance companies really dont wanna insure young ppl so they put the costs up so much so that the average teen cant afford it on top of all the other day to day expenses.
JennyPen
16-10-2003, 11:04
so they put the costs up so much so that the average teen cant afford it on top of all the other day to day expenses.
Too true. Goddamn it to hell, I say!!! Those bastard government-types. Excpet Simon Coveney. He's *gushes* lovely.
And those bastard insurance types. But they're all bastards, the lot of them. I think I might wait to drive 'til I mover to Australia a few years down the line, and then I can drive with chepaer insurance, cheaper and cleaner cars and pretty roads.
the outlaw torn
16-10-2003, 17:37
yes but you'll have to put up with smokey bars and clubs in australia, whereas we will all be going out enjoying smoke free nights out, but i do agree with the whole crappy insurance thing.
JennyPen
17-10-2003, 14:00
Have you ever been ot Australia? NOONE smokes there. It's great, that's why I'm going BACK...
headwrecker
21-03-2004, 11:00
I've always wondered, what are herbal cigarettes?
technically they are stuff that don't have the bad nicotine in them, but they could also just be hash/weed or other illegal stuffs :ganga:
the outlaw torn
21-03-2004, 15:19
Have you ever been ot Australia? NOONE smokes there. It's great, that's why I'm going BACK...
really, i didn't know that. maybe its because they are such a sporty nation and smoking isn't the healthiest thing for sport loving people. must give australia a visit sometime.
only a week to go till the smoking ban comes into being, it'll be interesting to see what will happen next monday.
the evil belly
23-03-2004, 14:26
i couldn't get over the tobacco advertising on crete it's fucking everywhere and everyone smokes too. you can smoke anywhere, evne in hotels museums etc. saw a group of kids on a school tour in a museum and their teacher was smoking away in front of them and no one seemed to care
JennyPen
23-03-2004, 14:32
really, i didn't know that. maybe its because they are such a sporty nation and smoking isn't the healthiest thing for sport loving people. must give australia a visit sometime.
only a week to go till the smoking ban comes into being, it'll be interesting to see what will happen next monday.
Gorgeous weather, perfect bodies, general air of perfection, why would you smoke? it ruins the mood!
Those damn Austrailians... :evil:
They're as bad as Californians...
JennyPen
24-03-2004, 10:17
Not really. Californians are stupid. Australians are just clean-living nice people. it's sad really 'cos half the world thinks of them as a prison nation because of their beginnings, it's not very nice.
If you ever listen to billy connolly or read his books, he says the exact same thing.
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